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RE: [cinjug-users] Thread about Hackers

To: "'Mike Hudson'" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <users@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [cinjug-users] Thread about Hackers
From: "Scott Hofmann" <shofmann@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:43:02 -0400
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I'd agree with your break down. I would also include another group at the
end of "script kiddie" called the "I'm too cheap". This persons main goal is
to use software but not at a cost to themselves so they acquire a serial
number from someone else instead of through a legitimate channel for the
product. This is the person I'm mainly concerned with regarding my previous
thread "Product Key". Now if every consumer was a qualified programmer I
might not make that statement and find a way to take extra precautions on
locking down an applications use.

I guess I'd equate the analogy of if someone wanted to rob me they could but
I'm still not convinced that it is a good idea to leave my doors to my house
unlocked at night.

- Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Hudson [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:35 PM
> To: users@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [cinjug-users] Thread about Hackers
> 
> James brings up something that bothers me sometimes.  The 
> difference between the term "hacker" and "cracker," and 
> "script kiddie."  Is it worth it to make a distinction in 
> your head or will most people just look at you like you have 
> a third head? 
> 
> To me, a hacker is someone who creates something, a cracker 
> is someone who breaks into that created thing, and a script 
> kiddie is someone who downloads programs off the internet to 
> break into things without really having any knowledge of what 
> the programs do, in other words, using other people's work 
> (which they freely release) to do their business.  
> It is my opinion that a script kiddie should never be 
> referred to as a hacker or as a cracker.  With respect to 
> using the word "cracker" to describe people who break into 
> systems, is it possible that this convention is avoided 
> because of the other slang uses of the word "cracker," 
> specifically the one referring to ethnicity? 
> (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cracker)
> 
> I try to use the convention above whenever I speak, but even 
> I slip up sometimes.  The other day, I mentioned that I was 
> afraid of users "hacking our system."  The American 
> vernacular seems to be that a hacker is someone who breaks 
> into systems.  Even dictionary.com lists a hacker as " One 
> who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a 
> computer network or file." 
> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hacker). 
> 
> Am I splitting hairs?  do the rest of you feel the same way?  
> Is all of this new to any of you?  Have you all gotten too 
> much email today already?
> 
> James Carman wrote:
> > It would definitely help, but hackers can crack almost anything.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: deshmol-lists@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:deshmol-lists@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:22 AM
> > To: users@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [cinjug-users] Product Keys
> >
> > since part of the problem is that java can be decompiled so 
> easily, i 
> > wonder if using jni for the licensing code could help.
> >
> > ~ amol
> >
> >   
> -- 
> 
> Mike Hudson
> mike@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Developer
> Zebra Mobile Marketing, LLC
> 513-546-4166
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