I am afraid I was not clear before - I was asking rather rhetorical
questions vs. looking for advice.
I have great architects with a number of successful delivery to production
records for either or, .Net & Java. The client of mine does not care what
platform it is, they (as most big companies nowadays) have both and
utilize both. They would expect us not only build it and put into
production but actually support it for those 5+ years. There are some
obvious divide lines, like: if it is mostly server side mission critical
processing then no brainer - Java it is.
We are talking here about more or less standard Web based CRM solution
with a lot of GUI/Front End development
> You delivery of system depends project you are delvering... you have to
> ask yourself few questions:
>
> 1. If you want to develop good system for your client and want client to
> do future business with you, you have to make sure you get some good
> Architects (Java/.NET) on the project - not some developers who are
> learning .NET. So learning/playing with new software on your own time.
> 2. How much money you (or your client have) have to spend on the project
> after it is developed and in production? Enhancements, Support etc. cost a
> lot of money..
> 3. What is your client's 5 year software strategy? and their comfort level
>
> Argument is not .NET vs Java.. either solution will do as good if
> developed correctly and with some thought put in it.. Issue is how you
> support it in the future.
>
> I read a book few months back about Reverse R&D in software project..
> basic concept was "create a demand(project) and then decide on development
> tool"...
>
> So my advice is find out more about the project, find out about customer
> comfort level with Microsoft (.NET etc) and propose the solution.
>
> Farhan
>
> "Yevgeny A. Smolyansky" <yevgeny@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Since I started this thread I believe it is time for me to jump back in
> and add a few thoughts.
>
> I myself more believe in the following:
> There are only two types of developers - good or bad. The good ones
> normally comprehend all possible technologies, methodologies, processes,
> etc and at the end of the day deliver!!!!!!!!!!!
> Everybody else - different level of 'No good'
> A lot of us wish we lived in ideal academic world but remember - IT IS A
> BUSINESS WORLD. Being professionals in the field we have to deliver to our
> customers satisfaction and save them as much money as possible.
>
> Now, back to my original question - if .Net solves the same problems as
> Java and does it quicker, better and cheaper - a lot of us (unfortunately)
> might want to reconsider our devotion to the beautiful Java world. Soon
> enough it could become like Pascal once was - ONLY ACADEMIC.
>
> Here is my personal dilemma - I am about to start a relatively big project
> for a very important client of mind and I am wondering if I should direct
> my company and my people do it in .Net because at the end it will be
> better for my client and perhaps my people need to get more experience and
> practice in .Net. If MS keep on doing a good job with it - a lot of us can
> become slightly off our strengths in Java - less and less clients will be
> buying it and therefore we will be making less. Granted - it also can
> become a niche marker with less opportunities but higher pays. Let's all
> not forget a beautiful Small Talk or Pascal (Delphi) - where are they?
>
>> Farhan Shah wrote:
>>> Also ego of Java developers that they are "good"
>>> programmers (because they "understand" OO is getting old)
>>
>> Thats the point I made in the other thread, about the
>> conflict between DP and OO.
>> Java programmers who do "understand" OO and
>> say so are often perceived as obnoxious.
>> They are bucking the general DP culture.
>>
>>
>>> On other hand, .NET developers ...
>>> got better then Java.
>>
>> How so ??
>> Why do you think this happened?
>> Is this that they are better at OO?
>> Or are they more attunded to the DP culture?
>> The RecordSet concept in ASP is certainly more DP.
>> Maybe they do less OO and it feels more conforterable
>> to those who deal with them.
>>
>> Any thoughts more?
>>
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>> -Mark
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