Re: [cinjug-users] Does corp. America still trust Java?

["Edward Sumerfield" <esumerfd@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The choice of languages/framework has been discussed for a long time and I 
think the primary reasons behind the choice are the same:

o    Do you want hardware portability? If yes choose Java.
o    Are you deploying to a purely MS shop? If yes choose .Net.
o    If neither of the above apply, are you deploying to a massive cluster? 
Is yes choose Java.

Your assertion that ".Net solves the same problems as Java and does it 
quicker, better and cheaper" are extremely subjective and situational. In my 
opinion completely wrong in most cases.

Both languages/frameworks can achieve the same primary goals with relatively 
similar solutions. My .Net solution is built with classes in just the same 
way as my java projects are. I use tools like nant and nunit in the same way 
as I use ant and junit in my eclipse projects do.

The quicker, better, cheaper argument applies to how well you choose your 
developers not the tools they use.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yevgeny A. Smolyansky" <yevgeny@xxxxxxx>
To: <users@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [cinjug-users] Does corp. America still trust Java?


> Guys,
>
> Since I started this thread I believe it is time for me to jump back in
> and add a few thoughts.
>
> I myself more believe in the following:
> There are only two types of developers - good or bad. The good ones
> normally comprehend all possible technologies, methodologies, processes,
> etc and at the end of the day deliver!!!!!!!!!!!
> Everybody else - different level of 'No good'
> A lot of us wish we lived in ideal academic world but remember - IT IS A
> BUSINESS WORLD. Being professionals in the field we have to deliver to our
> customers satisfaction and save them as much money as possible.
>
> Now, back to my original question - if .Net solves the same problems as
> Java and does it quicker, better and cheaper - a lot of us (unfortunately)
> might want to reconsider our devotion to the beautiful Java world. Soon
> enough it could become like Pascal once was - ONLY ACADEMIC.
>
> Here is my personal dilemma - I am about to start a relatively big project
> for a very important client of mind and I am wondering if I should direct
> my company and my people do it in .Net because at the end it will be
> better for my client and perhaps my people need to get more experience and
> practice in .Net. If MS keep on doing a good job with it - a lot of us can
> become slightly off our strengths in Java - less and less clients will be
> buying it and therefore we will be making less. Granted - it also can
> become a niche marker with less opportunities but higher pays. Let's all
> not forget a beautiful Small Talk or Pascal (Delphi) - where are they?
>
> > Farhan Shah wrote:
> > > Also ego of Java developers that they are "good"
> > > programmers (because they "understand" OO  is getting old)
> >
> >   Thats the point I made in the other thread, about the
> >   conflict between DP and OO.
> >   Java programmers who do "understand" OO and
> >   say so are often perceived as obnoxious.
> >   They are bucking the general DP culture.
> >
> >
> > >  On other hand, .NET developers ...
> > > got better then Java.
> >
> >    How so ??
> >    Why do you think this happened?
> >    Is this that they are better at OO?
> >    Or are they more attunded to the DP culture?
> >    The RecordSet concept in ASP is certainly more DP.
> >    Maybe they do less OO and it feels more conforterable
> >    to those who deal with them.
> >
> >   Any thoughts more?
> >
> > --
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> > -Mark
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